Highschool of the Dead


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QUOTE (Killer_Ossi @ Jul 23 2010, 03:27 PM) @askara: Zombies can never run, if they could they wouldnt be zombies.
but they are known for quick bursts of speed for an attack.
 
QUOTE Zombies can never run, if they could they wouldnt be zombies.

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in left for dead they run quite dam fast XD. and if i remember correctly, they run in 28dayslater/resisdent evil movie(game?)/dawn of the dead etc.....

As for Rie i just find her quite despicable from ep 1. but if i remember correctly from the manga, she redeem herself bit by bit.


ah...........i can hardly remember anything that happen in the manga.....do i have short term memory?
 
QUOTE (askara @ Jul 23 2010, 01:04 PM)and oh yea, they best zombie ep is the one in gintama with the zombrow!
yeah i definitely agree with you that this is one of the best zombie theme that i've seen so far....i really love the elevator scene with katsura and elizabeth...hehe

I think what rei actually lacks is the likabality factor.....i dont know its just that the moment i set my eyes on her, i totally disliked her guts.
 
QUOTE (khael @ Jul 22 2010, 06:57 AM)
On how zombies tick, I've always thought the standard zombie archetype lacks "believability", per se. Which is why I liked the approach several "crapstuff" took in making the zombies, making them more believable, giving at least some sort of explanation as to how they can move when they're supposedly dead. Same goes for RE.

Zombies are slow. Zombies are dead. If they are not slow and dead they are not zombies.

You might as well praise Twilight for "giving believability to vampires" then. Does not change the facts that disco vampires are lame.



QUOTE (khael @ Jul 22 2010, 06:57 AM)
Since when is acting how you should in a state of calamity/emergency and not panicking characteristic of a mary sue? A character can be drawn to be well composed in dire situations without having to be perfect. I'm sorry, but labeling characters AND indirectly, people, who act like that as "mary sues" is just plain stupid. Anyhow, in case you didn't notice, the ones who panicked are most likely zombies by now, and the main cast are, guess what, still alive, composed, and trying to survive.

No one can be well composed in such situations.

No matter the rules, no matter the training, every person will act without the fear of society, act like an animal.

Humans are menace to the world. Only wish-for-self-destruction and pride separate them from animals. Human nature will bring this world to ruin one day.

Believing that people would act rationally and by-the-book in such situations only means that you do not yet know on how this rotten world works.

Most of peopleOtaku hate Rei because she acts human. heck, entire cast does. They make mistakes, they do stupid things, they say stupid things.

Average otaku is usually drawn to usual clannad/insert_other_generic_show moeblobs who are "perfect" in every aspect except body. They never do mistakes and if they do, you get an entire arc with dramatic wind blowing hair and everyone around them making a big deal of those mistakes.



QUOTE (khael @ Jul 22 2010, 06:57 AM)
Correction, it'll probably follow the manga faithfully until there's nothing left to follow. After that it could go Claymore, wait for a second season, or go FMA: Brotherhood.
With episode count they won't reach the mall arc.



QUOTE (askara @ Jul 23 2010, 01:04 PM)i think they are dumb to even try looking for their family but i guess they cant help.
Good luck acting differently if you were in their situation.

Most of people most likely would think they are dreaming, go insane or cry in the corner while being slaughtered like a puny animals.


QUOTE (askara @ Jul 23 2010, 01:04 PM)
lol i dont think anyone like her.

I like her, a lot of people who are not drawn to generic can't-do-wrong moeblobs like her.


QUOTE (askara @ Jul 23 2010, 01:04 PM)she dated the main guys best friend. and when he killed him. she say he killed him out of jealous even she knew he turned into zombie. and then immediately throw herself at the main guy.
Whats wrong with that?


QUOTE (askara @ Jul 23 2010, 01:04 PM) you dont often see bitches like that even in real life.
Every damn person in entire world is like that.



QUOTE (askara @ Jul 23 2010, 03:34 PM)
in left for dead they run quite dam fast XD. and if i remember correctly, they run in 28dayslater/resisdent evil movie(game?)/dawn of the dead etc.....


Left4Testosteroneteens did not have ANY ZOMBIES.

28dayslater had....mutants/infected. no zombies. Watched that flick only because it had Robert Fracking Carlyle in sequel, and any decent human being must watch anything that has him.
 
Well if you want an honest opinion there was never a written rule that all Zombies must be slow when they have tracked a target. I mean if that was the case then what's the point of following Rule #1: Cardio then. Although they tend to be slow when they do not hear anything within thier field of hearing. This is because this version of zombies are blind as a bat, but have excelent hearing though.

This is because it is possible that it's something along the line of the H-Virus from Resident Evil. Although the speed of the zombie is incresed when it has tracked a target it would seem. Besides would you actually stay quiet when there is a zombie hoard around? I myself wouldn't try that at all since something may backfire and I'd have to run for it if I know my luck about the zombie apocalipse.
 
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Zombies are slow. Zombies are dead. If they are not slow and dead they are not zombies.

You might as well praise Twilight for "giving believability to vampires" then. Does not change the facts that disco vampires are lame.


IIRC the only REAL rule was that zombies are supposed to be the "living dead". How they sense, move, act, "work" or "came to be" varies from director to director, story to story. I mean, one of the living dead movies had a zombie type with a "brains only" diet as opposed to others.

And BTW, Romero did try to explain how zombies became in one of his movies. But come on, gas that mutates you? It would've been more interesting if he at least put effort into delving in further.

Also, Twilight is crapstuff.


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No one can be well composed in such situations.

No matter the rules, no matter the training, every person will act without the fear of society, act like an animal.


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Believing that people would act rationally and by-the-book in such situations only means that you do not yet know on how this rotten world works.

I'm not gonna say it's stupid this time, just naive. Believing that absolutely no human being can act composed in a dangerous situation/state of calamity/emergency only means that you have not been in one or have not even seen how people have tried rebuilding after a calamity.

As for that pseudo-philosophical crap, I'm gonna agree that on general, humans have been a negative force here on earth. But I'm not stupid nor naive enough to deny that humans are also capable of positive stuff.


QUOTE Most of peopleOtaku hate Rei because she acts human. heck, entire cast does. They make mistakes, they do stupid things, they say stupid things.

Actually, I only hate Rei, but I'm not gonna deny that that idiot of a main character is an idiot. And this got me confused, you say the cast acts human yet at the same time you claim no human can act composed in a time of crisis.
 
QUOTE in left for dead they run quite dam fast XD. and if i remember correctly, they run in 28dayslater/resisdent evil movie(game?)/dawn of the dead etc.....

In my memory, no zombies ever ran in RE.


QUOTE Humans are menace to the world. Only wish-for-self-destruction and pride separate them from animals. Human nature will bring this world to ruin one day.

I smell angsty teenager philosophy.


QUOTE Most of peopleOtaku hate Rei because she acts human.

Or maybe most otaku like her cause she's "moe" and that's why the show's so popular among the average otaku.

Among other things. Zombie's a pretty general term and "zombie rules" aren't set in stone. A commonly accepted cannon != fact, learn the difference. Cannon is modified or broken at will.

Realism isn't a definition for quality unlike good writing. There's a ton of unrealistic books that are great, same for movies.


QUOTE act rationally and by-the-book

If you think that the characters at hand act not "by-the-book" then you've seen too little life and too little fiction for comparison purposes. They all act like standard character archetypes. Heck, L4D characters were about as well-written.


QUOTE I'm not gonna deny that that idiot of a main character is an idiot.

Not an idiot, but a typical problem teenager with psych issues.


QUOTE IIRC the only REAL rule was that zombies are supposed to be the "living dead". How they sense, move, act, "work" or "came to be" varies from director to director, story to story.

Yeah, I mean let's not also forget fantasy zombies. In fact, I'd love to see fantasy zombie apocalypse done in a movie.
 
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Yeah, I mean let's not also forget fantasy zombies. In fact, I'd love to see fantasy zombie apocalypse done in a movie.

Wasn't there a zombie movie based on one of Lovecraft's works? I'm not sure if it's a zombie apocalypse approach but I think it's closer to necromancy and voodoo type zombies than sci-fi zombies.


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Realism isn't a definition for quality unlike good writing. There's a ton of unrealistic books that are great, same for movies.


To be honest, my rants on believability were subjective and will vary from person to person. The fun I find in movies with people with superpowers, advanced technology, zombies etc. is how the authors/writers explain these stuff/phenomena. I just find it fun and interesting. Needless to say, lack of explanations for stuff is also fine in many ways. For instance, as Anybody said, since the characters in this show won't be instrumental in defusing this zombie apocalypse, how the zombies cane to be need not be explained or delved into, since after all, the plot revolves around clueless people.

Anyway, for zombie movies, this one seems interesting as it uses a zombie's perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_%28film%29


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If you think that the characters at hand act not "by-the-book" then you've seen too little life and too little fiction for comparison purposes. They all act like standard character archetypes. Heck, L4D characters were about as well-written.

Okay now I'm confused. Are we talking about acting composed when he meant by the book or acting based on a character archetype? [I think both are true for the cast however.]

Also, I just read the recent chapters. I think there'll be more development for gun-ota, but it's gonna be slow.

And another thing I forgot to mention. I've always hated how they chose to voice gun-ota.
 
I'm starting to get the feeling that this is becomming more along the line of a Zombie thread than a discussion of the actuall series as of now. I mean if you want you guys can start a new thread in the Thoughtful Section, or maybe in the General Discourse since this topic can fit in either section it would seem.
 
*attempts at putting thread back on track* With episode 3, I see one big problem with this show, a bad ending.

This show has two possibilities of ending. Unless the show continues as an ongoing show, which is very doubtful as most Tokyo MX and AT-X shows are 12-26 episodes long, this show will either leave a cliffhanger for a second season (or just not continue at all) or the zombie apocalypse is ended in some ridiculous fashion.

The fact that the source material, the manga, is currently ongoing and seems to have no intention of ending soon, is enough evidence to basically support an anime original ending or a cliffhanger. If anything, people are getting over-hyped about this series and not thinking about the ending soon enough (at least not until around the last few episodes). Note that I have not read the source material, and won't until it's released in the US now that it's licensed.

Anyways, episode 3 continues the story at a slow pace. Although out of the school now (can't call it highschool of the dead now anymore
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), the show continues to show no sign of resolving the problem. What this show so far does well at is portraying the underlying greed and superiority complexes people have in the event of a crisis. I really like how that is thoroughly and accurately portrayed, especially with the teacher that really needs to die in episode 3.
 
@Kid-Wolf: A Zombie thread in the Thoughtful section
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That'd give me a good laugh.
 
QUOTE (Ausdoerrt @ Jul 26 2010, 01:36 AM) @Kid-Wolf: A Zombie thread in the Thoughtful section 
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  That'd give me a good laugh.
Now that would be an interesting discussion, indeed. I can only imagine the "controversy" it would generate especially for those of us with vivid and fertile imaginations.
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I can list a slew of things I would pose for others to consider with regards to the Zombie population, were it allowed to brew and fester...ah well, a fun thought. Though I am not watching this series, the discussion is lively especially, with your well put thoughts, Aus~san. Thanks...
 
watched episode 4 on veoh man they ruined it i mean the couple when that guy grab her the like 1 or 2 min of blue light on it
 
Been silently following this series since I saw the announcement of it. I was pretty satisfied with the direction and pace of everything until episode 4; which (to me) seemed like a complete waste of 24 minutes.

Seriously, who needs a recap after 3 episodes unless you're running a 26 episode series...

Anyway, I seriously dig the entire zombie/high school thing. It's been a long time coming since I've been able to get excited about a zombie story or show since Resident Evil went to a more human(ish) enemy in the games and trusty Sony decided to completely butcher the live action movie series. Hopefully, they'll do the rest of this series right; or perhaps second season it.
 
QUOTE (obsan @ Jul 26 2010, 01:47 PM) until episode 4; which (to me) seemed like a complete waste of 24 minutes.

Seriously, who needs a recap after 3 episodes unless you're running a 26 episode series...
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Ugh ep 4 was awful. They waste soooo much real estate (time) on the stupidest stuff. Seriously, a 7 minute recap? From what everyone else is posting here it sounds like they have tons of source material to work with. What the hell are you thinking? Oh, and what iamdeath mentioned, the fanservice-ey groping scene did NOT increase the tension of the situation, it actually ruined it. It was the problem I had with ep 1 that didn't show up as much in ep 2 & 3. This is like screaming at your favorite team when they mess up in football: you want it to be good and successful but its just not happening.

Rant aside, I'll still keep watching because of the psychological aspect. Some of the situations make you think, and I like thinking
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(I know that sounds retarded). I did like how they portrayed the thug, and how convincing his psychological damage was. You could really feel the scared-to-death boy inside the hateful exterior (after mentally filtering out the grope scene).
 
QUOTE (wedora @ Jul 27 2010, 10:07 AM) QFT

Ugh ep 4 was awful. They waste soooo much real estate (time) on the stupidest stuff. Seriously, a 7 minute recap?  From what everyone else is posting here it sounds like they have tons of source material to work with.  What the hell are you thinking?  Oh, and what iamdeath mentioned, the fanservice-ey groping scene did NOT increase the tension of the situation, it actually ruined it.  It was the problem I had with ep 1 that didn't show up as much in ep 2 & 3.  This is like screaming at your favorite team when they mess up in football:  you want it to be good and successful but its just not happening.

Rant aside, I'll still keep watching because of the psychological aspect. Some of the situations make you think, and I like thinking
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(I know that sounds retarded). I did like how they portrayed the thug, and how convincing his psychological damage was.  You could really feel the scared-to-death boy inside the hateful exterior (after mentally filtering out the grope scene).
yeah manga portray it differently and the blue light groping bit all in blue but manga it different but it goes normal again for 15 seconds go back.
 
minus teh flashback/recap scene(which did add a bit to the mood, but were COMPLETELY unnecessary), this was still awesome. Loved the gas station scenes and overall music(especially the whole chorus thing with views of town) in episode.
 
LOL wow the expectations for target audience's attention spans are certainly low these days aren't they. I can't tell if it's that or the production team got reeeeeeeeeeally lazy. Since it was just one short scene and a crapload of recaps, I don't even know how to react to the episode constructively, but the series has definitely stepped on the road to FAIL now.
 
So many individuals here have so little trust in the animation studio and the writer. The studio is MADHOUSE; and the employees put work into it. But there is a point I do agree with; because the manga is still on-going, the show may either end on a cliffhanger or it may end satisfactorily and that may be part 1. The studio did that with Black Lagoon, Monster, and a few others.

But what intrigued me is between 19:30-19:40, Villain: "The gas may catch on fire. Takashi: "It's better than someone stealing my girl." Rei smiles with glee at the comment. A potential romance may be developing. This leads to two definite possibilities. One, if there is a second season in the future, they will end together by the 13th episode. Or two, one of them becomes infected and the other has to kill them.
 
Ok this recap-crap was completely unnessecary. I mean sure its ok for him to remember what happened, but there is no reason to waste 10 minutes of screentime on that.

Other than that it was just great as always.
Its really no surprise that humans go insane because of all that and act like that. Still he got what he deserved.
And its great to see that Rei finally getting addapted to the situation and do things herself like robbing the police despite all the blood and such.
 
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